Comments on: Economic Ignorance At The Health Care Summit http://www.proudprofiteer.com/2010/02/economic-ignorance-at-the-health-care-summit/ Capitalism and Liberty Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:49:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jason http://www.proudprofiteer.com/2010/02/economic-ignorance-at-the-health-care-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-682 Jason Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:13:54 +0000 http://www.proudprofiteer.com/?p=1763#comment-682 Where have I heard that before? Lack of funding for schools, and you don't care about the children. You want them to starve at lunch. Don't think we should be fighting wars all over the globe, you don't support the troops. One day we'll be able to say I told you so. Probably is we'll be saying it to the other slaves. Where have I heard that before? Lack of funding for schools, and you don’t care about the children. You want them to starve at lunch.

Don’t think we should be fighting wars all over the globe, you don’t support the troops.

One day we’ll be able to say I told you so. Probably is we’ll be saying it to the other slaves.

]]> By: John http://www.proudprofiteer.com/2010/02/economic-ignorance-at-the-health-care-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-681 John Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:08:06 +0000 http://www.proudprofiteer.com/?p=1763#comment-681 I was watching America's Nightly Scoreboard last night and David Asman (who I typically agree with) was interviewing a British healthcare watchdog and that guy made an point which you inherently understand once you hear it, but you don't always think about - Once you get a socialized system in place (which as you note we will probably end up with), any failure of the system is not due to the system itself, but due to a lack of funding for the system. The obvious response of the status-quo supporters is that we should be spending more money in that system (so much for cost control, eh?). And if you attack the system, you are portrayed as attacking the nurses and doctors in the system, and never the system itself. I was watching America’s Nightly Scoreboard last night and David Asman (who I typically agree with) was interviewing a British healthcare watchdog and that guy made an point which you inherently understand once you hear it, but you don’t always think about – Once you get a socialized system in place (which as you note we will probably end up with), any failure of the system is not due to the system itself, but due to a lack of funding for the system. The obvious response of the status-quo supporters is that we should be spending more money in that system (so much for cost control, eh?). And if you attack the system, you are portrayed as attacking the nurses and doctors in the system, and never the system itself.

]]> By: Jason http://www.proudprofiteer.com/2010/02/economic-ignorance-at-the-health-care-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-679 Jason Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:00:31 +0000 http://www.proudprofiteer.com/?p=1763#comment-679 John, I think ultimately we'll eventually get some crappy bill. Democrats will get their partially socialized health care, and Republicans will get tort reform. Neither are good. The problem with health care is third party payer and government involvement in the first place. Republicans lose the battle as soon as they say government has a role. From there on out, it's a matter of how much the role is. The Republicans love tort reform, which makes no sense to me. All that needs to be done is to make sure that frivilous lawsuits are punished some how. You should not cap pain and suffering at $250k. If someone is disabled for life, $250k isn't going to make their life anywhere near what it would have otherwise been. People should have the ability to sue when they are harmed. If there is going to be tort reform, it should be left to states. I'd love to see someone in the room ask what business is it of the government to be involved in health care. Where in the constitution does it give government that power? Of course Republicans may pay lip service to it, but eventually they concede that government has a role by involving themselves in this debate. I see no resolution in the end that is good for us. Eventually this is going to build and build until everything collapses down on us. Then we'll either be a dictatorship or we'll go back to our founding. John,

I think ultimately we’ll eventually get some crappy bill. Democrats will get their partially socialized health care, and Republicans will get tort reform. Neither are good.

The problem with health care is third party payer and government involvement in the first place. Republicans lose the battle as soon as they say government has a role. From there on out, it’s a matter of how much the role is.

The Republicans love tort reform, which makes no sense to me. All that needs to be done is to make sure that frivilous lawsuits are punished some how. You should not cap pain and suffering at $250k. If someone is disabled for life, $250k isn’t going to make their life anywhere near what it would have otherwise been. People should have the ability to sue when they are harmed. If there is going to be tort reform, it should be left to states.

I’d love to see someone in the room ask what business is it of the government to be involved in health care. Where in the constitution does it give government that power? Of course Republicans may pay lip service to it, but eventually they concede that government has a role by involving themselves in this debate.

I see no resolution in the end that is good for us. Eventually this is going to build and build until everything collapses down on us. Then we’ll either be a dictatorship or we’ll go back to our founding.

]]> By: John http://www.proudprofiteer.com/2010/02/economic-ignorance-at-the-health-care-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-678 John Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:31:01 +0000 http://www.proudprofiteer.com/?p=1763#comment-678 I was hoping an enterprising Republican would have asked Obama the following question: Mr President, you claim to be a big supporter of the free market. You have made such a statement on a number of occasions. Why are you unwilling to try an actual free market when it comes to health insurance and health care? I would love to have seen what his response would have been. What bothers me is that everyone knows the system needs reform. While the care most receive is great, the system is unnecessarily expensive. And that's where the divide starts and there doesn't seem to be any way to bridge it. Republicans have generally claimed the cost is due to too much government (you and I agree), however Democrats claim it's because there's not enough government. I see why both sides are sticking to their guns. Each side claims the other's implementation would make matters worse (even though that's only true to 1 side). Do you see some kind of resolution to that ideological divide? I certainly don't. I was hoping an enterprising Republican would have asked Obama the following question:

Mr President, you claim to be a big supporter of the free market. You have made such a statement on a number of occasions. Why are you unwilling to try an actual free market when it comes to health insurance and health care?

I would love to have seen what his response would have been.

What bothers me is that everyone knows the system needs reform. While the care most receive is great, the system is unnecessarily expensive. And that’s where the divide starts and there doesn’t seem to be any way to bridge it. Republicans have generally claimed the cost is due to too much government (you and I agree), however Democrats claim it’s because there’s not enough government.

I see why both sides are sticking to their guns. Each side claims the other’s implementation would make matters worse (even though that’s only true to 1 side). Do you see some kind of resolution to that ideological divide? I certainly don’t.

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